31 comments

  • oefrha 2 hours ago
    IMO a font specimen site may be the worst place to use font-display: swap. Was wondering why I was looking at what seemed indistinguishable from Courier, turns out what I saw was exactly Courier.
    • embedding-shape 16 minutes ago
      For those not in the know (or who didn't suffer through having to write CSS manually): font-display: swap changes the default behavior from "No text visible until font been loaded" to "Display fallback font until specified font is available", meaning you'll see Courier until Iosevka loaded properly, or Courier forever if the font file failed to load.

      I'm guessing the website author added that after some "website performance tool" recommended it, as they make sweeping generalizations that don't always make sense in every context, and "always add font-display: swap so text is readable earlier" is now a dogmatic rule "web developers" (mechanical or wetware ones) add without thinking, so that precious performance number goes up.

  • wartywhoa23 2 hours ago
    Iosevka, my absolutely most loved font for years!

    I've been using a custom version - you can customize the font¹ and build your own ttf (or better yet, ttc) using the build system supplied in the repository².

    be5invis, the author of the font, deserves a special mention for creating a whole custom DSL called PatEL (Parametric Type Expression Language) to generate the font programmatically!

    Renzhi, if you ever come around to read this, thank you so much for Iosevka, man!

    ¹https://typeof.net/Iosevka/customizer

    ²https://github.com/be5invis/Iosevka/blob/master/doc/custom-b...

    • JdeBP 1 hour ago
      That explains all of the .ptl source files, which I didn't recognize straightaway.
    • nextaccountic 1 hour ago
      > ttf (or better yet, ttc)

      Why is ttc better?

      • wartywhoa23 1 hour ago
        It's a package of ttfs, simpler to have all in one file on disk as well as install from one. Customization can generate a lot of font varieties.
  • jve 1 hour ago
    Is it only me but I really dislike "Code Ligations"? I have to mark some chars to count how many consecutive "=" simbols there are... or \/ looking like V without having other chars near it to distinguish. Having to copy paste diamond shape to find out it is <>. arrows with squiggly tails, /> being ugly, <. having dot in the middle...

    That could be the maximum I'd like out of font to have "proper" greater/less-equal sign.

    • slazaro 56 minutes ago
      They always seemed to me like solutions to a nonexistent problem. They make the code less readable, but ligatures exist and they seemed like a cool tech thing to implement, and they might look cool in screenshots. But in practice, in my opinion, they're worse than just having the normal characters. But I guess it's a matter of opinion, no harm in other people using them.
      • yayachiken 31 minutes ago
        We have studies since ages ago that consistency in code style is one of the most important requirements for code quality.

        This goes down to the details like that you should either use spaces over tabs OR prescribe editor config such that the code looks similar on each machine.

        Of course this doesn't automatically mean that code ligatures are harmful, but I would be quite wary of using them. At the very least it introduces some friction, not sure if the arguably lower mental load of using real mathematical symbols instead of the ASCII symbols makes up for it.

    • Semaphor 30 minutes ago
      Common complaint.

      Personally, I like them. They look pleasing and I never had issues distinguishing between the ligatures for ==, ===, and = itself.

    • mkesper 48 minutes ago
      The 'fixed' variant disables them.
    • apetrovic 51 minutes ago
      I like them and use them. But every editor I worked with has an option to disable ligatures.
      • voidUpdate 36 minutes ago
        I wish editors had the option to disable certain ligatures. I use jetbrains mono, and the >> ligature breaks bracket highlighting in visual studio, making them both the same colour
    • semiquaver 59 minutes ago
      ligatures, not ligations
      • efilife 44 minutes ago
        Interestingly, they are called ligations on the submitted website
    • wildrhythms 53 minutes ago
      I hate them. I disable them in every code editor. I don't need to have to guess if it's a double equals or a triple equals
  • durdn 6 minutes ago
    A friend pointed me to a derivative of Iosevka that tries to mimic the historical (and commercially licensed) Pragmata Pro and the result is an insanely great font I've migrated to recently: https://github.com/shytikov/pragmasevka
  • TwoFerMaggie 2 hours ago
    Have been using it for a couple years. Before that I was using Fira Code/Mono which was also fantastic. However, once I got used to the condensed Iosevka, all the other fonts just felt loose and not space efficient enough in my IDE and terminal.
    • code-blooded 22 minutes ago
      I am the opposite. I have CommitMono, Iosevka, Source Code Pro installed, but I always come back to Fira Code/Mono. At the same overall density of text, I find that I can skim through the text faster when the font is wider.

      It's interesting how personal font choice (among many other things) is!

    • aziis98 2 hours ago
      Exactly the same for me! I love it for the terminal especially
  • GCUMstlyHarmls 1 hour ago
    First time I used Iosevka I felt really nauseated, kind of like getting motion sickness, it was a really bizarre experience for a font to give me. I was on a smaller screen though and getting some more characters in without getting tiny was actually a selling point, so I gave it another go and eventually got over the feeling.

    Now (after ... gosh, 6, 7, 8? years probably) I love it, use it everywhere and other monospace font feels super w i d e and weird.

  • miqkt 1 hour ago
    My go-to monospace font in everything I use nowadays. Way back, it used to be JetBrains Mono. When I decided to give Iosevka a try, I actually started with the expanded variant, because I wasn't accustomed to the narrow jump. Took a while, but at some point I took that jump back to the default and it's stuck. Thanks for your efforts on this font Renzhi!
  • needfish 52 minutes ago
    I have a custom build of this font, use it everywhere now. One thing is that the width by default is too compact and the extended is too wide for my taste. Upon searching I found somebody's build that has width 576. I don't know why that number, but I used it in my current builds and it turns out pretty much perfect for terminal use for me, just wide enough.

    The hookiest tail for lowercase l man, love it.

    Even for my own website, with some tighter tracking and it can work okay as a text font.

    Another great customizable font is Maple Mono [0]

    [0] https://font.subf.dev/en/

    • asa123 32 minutes ago
      Sometimes I catch myself assuming hacker news is representative of the general population and then I read comments like these

      (I am excited to try this out)

  • beeforpork 16 minutes ago
    Is there a PDF specimen? I disable font substitution in my browser, but I do want to have a peek. But not a peek that requires reconfiguring my browser.
  • exceptione 50 minutes ago
    Wish code editors would support different fonts per semantic region. Jetbrains, if you are reading this, implement this: <https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IJPL-29552/Allow-differ...>.

    The heading of Iosevka doesn't do the font right, my first thought was that this would be yet another soulless sans-serif. But it has tons of interesting variants. Hats of to Iosevka Etoile. See also <https://monaspace.githubnext.com> if you like big versatile font families.

  • starquake 1 hour ago
    The default font since GNOME 48 is Adwaita Sans (a modified Inter with different l's and I's) and for monospace it is Adwaita Mono (a modified Iosevka.)

    I like it a lot!

  • weinzierl 2 hours ago
    It also has many weights. In my opinion it's one of the best monospaced fonts where you actually can use weight as an additional dimension in syntax highlighting.
  • makizar 47 minutes ago
    I’ve used Iosevka for years but recently switched to Commit Mono [0]. It hits all the right spots for me, is customizable, and does smart kerning which is neat.

    [0] https://commitmono.com/

  • jwr 1 hour ago
    This is the best font I have ever found, and I have tried a lot of them over the years. The ability to specify your own variations and generate your own fonts is really useful. I am a big fan of the dotted zero, for example.

    The readability is excellent, and this font replaced everything else that I tried before. Highly recommended!

  • JdeBP 1 hour ago
    It is interesting that it differentiates between oblique and italic, something that not many fonts aimed at the monospace crowd do, in both the English and Cyrillic alphabets. The list of variants for the letter k is longer than I expected.

    Alas, it is oblong, not square.

    And 7 thousand-odd code points is not as large a range as it used to be a couple of decades ago. That said, it does have MouseText, the 7-segment LED digits, and suchlike from the Supplementary Plane 1.

  • cik 2 hours ago
    I have been using this font for 3 years now. I can't, and won't get off it. I use it wherever I can - heck there's an Arch package! I'm pleasantly surprised by how much something this simple makes me happy. Legitimately a font has added to my life.
    • slow_typist 1 hour ago
      Thanks, I couldn’t spot a license on the website, but existence of an arch package does probably mean the license is okayish.
  • fenprace 1 hour ago
    I ve been using iosevka for 5+ years. Iosevka Extended is my go-t mono font. It's just clean and cool.

    One thing I definitely love is it's easy to access. It has been packed for many package managers. I can just brew install or yay -S to get it.

  • voidUpdate 37 minutes ago
    > "glyphs are exactly 1/2em wide"

    The M is 1/2 of an M wide?

    • einpoklum 33 minutes ago
      Yes. That is, for a given x-height, the width of an 'M' half of what it "should" be for that x-height. According to this:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Em_(typography)

      it seems the width of an M should be exactly equal to the x-height in points (IIUC).

      • voidUpdate 27 minutes ago
        > However, as a very rough guideline, an "average" font might have [...] an x-height of 48% of the em
  • nitinreddy88 1 hour ago
    Once we use Berkeley mono font, we will never switch to another one :)

    Whenever font discussions come up, I will try everyones suggestions to find better than what I have, and always came back to Berkeley. Its almost near perfect for coding!

    • snthd 1 hour ago
      In that direction there's

      https://github.com/ahatem/IoskeleyMono

      >Iosevka configuration to mimic the look and feel of Berkeley Mono as closely as possible.

      Discussed recently https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49161743

    • farlight 47 minutes ago
      It has very poor character coverage, especially compared to Iosevka whose author speaks Mandarin as his main language (IIRC), and put a lot of effort into supporting as many languages as possible.
    • amoshebb 1 hour ago
      There is an iosekeley remix that is nice as well for those who don’t want to splash out for Berkeley mono
    • andreypopp 1 hour ago
      You meant Pragmata Pro :)
    • bowsamic 1 hour ago
      I use Commit Mono, which is basically a free version of Berkeley Mono
  • allumik 1 hour ago
    Used Iosevka for a while, now fully on Aporetic for everything monospace. Something about the thin and tall serif just clicks with me, and Aporetic seemed to work better size wise for my terminals and GUIs.
    • wartywhoa23 1 hour ago
      That's still Iosevka though, just a custom build.
  • HackerThemAll 12 minutes ago
    Half a gig for a single variant of this font? No, thank you. That just doesn't make any sense. Perform some minification and/or publish just TTF or OTF.
  • rf15 2 hours ago
    Good to know that the age old tradition of calling a font with serifs sans-serif is well alive and kicking.

    The reason here is that the basic glyph shape is that of a sans-serif, but still got serifs added afterwards. That doesn't stop it from diluting the meaning of the term.

    • wartywhoa23 1 hour ago
      Iosevka can perfectly be either sans-serif, or serif, or a mixture - it's customizable.
    • farlight 46 minutes ago
      Slab serif is optional.
    • xigoi 53 minutes ago
      Where do you see the serifs?
      • rf15 47 minutes ago
        ...In the submitted Title and on the page itself. It says it is a sans-serif font, but then offers also a slab-serif variant.
  • gadrev 1 hour ago
    Nice one. I used it for some years, mostly in urxvt.

    Some time ago I switched to wayland/sway/foot, and I'm on 0xProtoNerdFont, quite pleasant as well.

  • sgarrity 1 hour ago
    What does “quasi-proportional” mean?
  • exwireXI 1 hour ago
    I've been using Iosevka(custom) and loved it since then.
  • sho_hn 1 hour ago
    Iosevka Fixed Curly is also my favorite font to code and terminal in.
  • einpoklum 36 minutes ago
    What does it mean for a font (or typeface) to be "quasi‑proportional"?

    Also, whoever said that fonts intended for a terminal need to be narrower? Some terminals have narrower chars, some wider. And terminal emulators often allow for multiple char aspect ratios - e.g. via bitmap fonts of different aspect ratio.

    Anyway, the typeface looks interesting, but I would have liked for the creators to compare and contrast it with existing (and popular) monospace / terminal-oriented typefaces.

  • bowsamic 2 hours ago
    I felt like my eyes hurt when I tried this font. It's hard for me to switch away from the standard width monospace fonts. At the moment I use Commit Mono. Extra horizontal space might be nice but it's not worth risking any discomfort
  • orphereus 2 hours ago
    Does tsoding use this font?
  • IceDane 2 hours ago
    I occasionally try to find a nicer font than Iosevka, but none of them stick and I always go back.
    • Diti 1 hour ago
      Pragmata Pro. The font Iosevka is based on.
    • nerdypepper 2 hours ago
      input.djr.com, haven't used a different font in many years!
    • triggis 2 hours ago
      What about Maple Mono?
      • gpessia 1 hour ago
        love Maple Mono!
  • dizhn 1 hour ago
    It's a google score thing right. That the first font that loads is not their font on a font page?